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How long should a scripts last?
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Paul Roach
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September 10, 2018 - 7:33 am

I suppose the answer what most of you will be thinking is how long is the time you have!

But lets say you need to entertain for an hour, the audience would be somewhat bored if you used the same puppet for an hour, so how many puppets and how many different scripts is about right.

 

Now I guess the maximum puppets to have would be 5, that still means you have to find 12 minutes material for each on average, or should I be looking at shorter times and filling the gaps in some other way?

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Eddie Siller
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September 10, 2018 - 10:11 pm

I have not done a Vent only show but what I’m putting together is 5-7 min routines with magic as a break. I think it would be fine to use a puppet and bring it back out again for another routine or finale. But what do I know. Laugh

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Paul Roach
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September 11, 2018 - 4:19 am

I think the biggest problem these days is that some vents are doing a full vent only show. back in the day vents were just seen at variety shows etc but it’s changed now and I think that’s probably one reason a lot of them you see use masks in their shows to fill in a bit of time.

But I think your right about bringing one of the puppets back on at the end, it’s something I’ve seen Nina Conti do and Paul Zerdin. In fact I think Nina used Monkey to open and close each half too but can’t 100% be sure on that.

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Tom Crowl
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September 12, 2018 - 11:02 pm

It truly depends on your audience. Young kids will tend to lose attention if a puppet is out more than 7 or 8 minutes. (That is an average offered by Mark Wade. The truth is, it depends on your material.)

Adult audiences can go much longer. Dunham does 30 minutes or more with one character. Willie Tyler only uses Lester. The key there is they aren’t just puppets – they are personalities. It comes from building your character using a profile and really knowing it. (There is a character profile workbook – link is on home page of the site.)

My question is, why do you have to do an hour?

I’ve been doing this for years and my average show is between 40 – 50 minutes. When someone asks for a longer show – I tell them no, explaining that I would rather keep their audience laughing hysterically for 40 minutes – than looking at their watch wondering when the show will end.

You can say whatever length of time you are comfortable with. When I started, I would add four to five minutes of ventriloquism into my magic show. I built the routines slowly in front of a lot of audiences.

If you must do an hour – do the vent material you are comfortable with and add in a few jokes that are newer to see how they go over. Then fill in the balance of your time with other skills – magic, juggling, etc.

Just my two cents. Hope it helps.

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Paul Roach
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September 13, 2018 - 10:24 am

Tom Crowl said
It truly depends on your audience. Young kids will tend to lose attention if a puppet is out more than 7 or 8 minutes. (That is an average offered by Mark Wade. The truth is, it depends on your material.)

So for kids no more than 7 to 8 minutes, but how many different puppets could you use for kids until they get bored of just basically being sat still watching puppets?

 

Tom Crowl said
Dunham does 30 minutes or more with one character. Willie Tyler only uses Lester. The key there is they aren’t just puppets – they are personalities. It comes from building your character using a profile and really knowing it. (There is a character profile workbook – link is on home page of the site.)

My own personal opinion is that if anyone tried doing a longish show with just one character, that would bore me to tears, no matter how good the background to the character is. Part of the love of ventriloquism is not just the skill of being able to do it but the different creations we all use.

I guess 30 minutes would just about be OK with one character for me but not if it was just half hour show if that makes sense

But what would be OK for me is not necessarily what would be OK for an audience.

 

Tom Crowl said
My question is, why do you have to do an hour?

An hour can be shortened, but if you don’t have the material you can’t lengthen it, that’s the way I’m thinking. I’d hate to think that one day I might actually get a booking, but what if they have an hour to fill and they turn me down because my routine is only 40 minutes. By having an hour just in case covers that scenario.

I guess I’m still not sure what direction I want to go with this, that’s presuming I actually have the skills and confidence to get anywhere. I look at the “kids entertainer” rout but (and this is the first time I’ve admitted this to the vent world 😉 ) I’m not at all comfortable around kids.

I feel as though I’d be happy doing something for adults possibly families, and on a whole they seem to be hour shows (the two vent shows i went to last year, Nina Conti and Paul Zerdin, were both hour shows), so that would probably need to be my ultimate goal eventually.

 

Tom Crowl said
 Then fill in the balance of your time with other skills – magic, juggling, etc.
Just my two cents. Hope it helps.  

What other skills 😀

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Eddie Siller
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September 13, 2018 - 7:16 pm

Obviously Tom makes a lot of sense. I perform for children and only use 5 to 7 min routines. I do that because Mark Wade saying that is the time that most children can handle. I rarely perform for adults but of course they enjoy the routines I do for the kids as well. 

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Wally Cady
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September 14, 2018 - 3:07 pm

When you perform what you believe is a certain length script, it will actually be longer due to pauses for laughs and ad-libs that might occur.  For example, 10 minutes will become 12 to 14 minutes, etc.

Nina Conti and Paul Zerdin have been  performing for a long time.  I’m sure their performances didn’t start out being a long as they are now.  My thought, it’s easier to start out with what you are comfortable with, in a local show with other performers and grow into longer scripts.  Easier to do that trying to start out with an hour long show on your own.

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Tom Crowl
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September 15, 2018 - 12:21 am

Wally Cady said
My thought, it’s easier to start out with what you are comfortable with, in a local show with other performers and grow into longer scripts.  Easier to do that trying to start out with an hour long show on your own.  

Very well said Wally! 

There is enough pressure when starting without trying to add to it be demanding yourself to write an hour of solid comedy. Give yourself time Paul. You will get there!

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Paul Roach
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September 15, 2018 - 1:42 pm

Sound advice from you all as usual, concentrate on walking first, the running can come later 😉

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Eddie Siller
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September 16, 2018 - 1:25 pm

And when you start running Paul, don’t trip. You may hurt your puppet! Laugh

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Michael Raw
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September 19, 2018 - 9:41 am

Hi Paul. Some ventriloquists do a bit of stand-up before introducing their characters … if you’ve not already seen it, Paul Levent does this on a clip you’ll find on You Tube, before introducing Syd and Gladys Winkle!

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